GODZILLA (and other kaiju)

Dude just wrote an essay

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That has a lot of misinformation and assumption.

Yes. Little Ceasars is awful. It’s the worst pizza of all time. I’d rather throw a Red Baron in my oven and cry with every bite than ever give $ to LC again.

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But how is it wrong tho? I realize that I seem like someone who blindly hates the movie for no reason but I genuinely despise the film for the same exact reason we all hate The Predator and Alien Covenant. It ass fucks the world building, is a bad movie, and is generally unfun to sit through as it axe murders the fictional world it is set in.

This is why I feel like Adam’s next movie will literally bomb besides being supported by blind MV fan boys and that the Apple TV Series is a GKOTM Prequel for a reason.

It’s wrong because it’s a fun movie overall and because your taste in pizza is so awful, your opinion cannot be taken seriously. Sure, it’s a little Showa-y, but thats not altogether a bad thing. Kotm was a fine film, but suffered the same drawbacks as 2014, though less times. GvK literally sits the viewer down at the dinner table (which is set with delicious pizza from a small, independent shop owned by an actual pizza aficionado) and says DIG IN! And you do, and you’re satisfied at the end, slipping into a comfy Godzilla-pizza coma. Yes, it’s silly, but its charming all the same. The human story from Kotm was generally unlikable and nonsensical. The only emotion to it was Serizawas sacrifice. Charles Dance does play a good villain too.

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You are speaking facts sir

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I liked Godzilla vs Kong but what I don’t understand is why his ancestors left their kingdom with their dope as Godzilla killing weapons then died on a island full of skull crawlers?

King Kong at time: Oh honey did you make sure to bring our weapons and tools from our house? 😑
Queen Kong: Oh no the residents say it’s peaceful on the surface where there are no monsters where we can go and live a peaceful life! 😊

Skull Crawler King: IM RACIST AND YOU TRESPASSING! 😡

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Well I think there was a war between two sides, so the Kongs were probably driven out of the hollow earth and the skullcrawlers flushed out the survivors to Skull island and finished them off.

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The Kongs and Iwi people lived in the Hollow Earth, millennia upon millennia ago. They began to become more and more technologically advanced as time went on. Godzilla’s species, being pretty much the peacekeepers and balancers of the natural order, did not like that. Originally, there was a peace between them, but through some method (possibly Hollow Earth radiation), the Godzillas became capable of using their heat beam, so the Kongs feared that. Both sides had some thing against the other, so, a war ensured. Many casualties on both sides. Eventually the Godzillas beat back the Kongs and Iwi and they were forced to head to the surface to what became known as Skull Island. Its unknown how many Godzillas were left, altogether. Dagon was one, and depending on who you talk to, LegendaryGoji was either not born yet or was born shortly after. I’ve heard too many conflicting reports. I’ve heard that Kong skull he finds in his old home, he only remembers through some Force connection with his ancestors, or, he was actually there when that Kong kicked him out of that home. But that is the gist of what happened based on the different media available.

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As an Eva fan, I firmly believe Anno is a hack and Shin Goji isn’t good aside from the soundtrack.

But netflix godzilla series was unwatchable, Singular Point is close but instead of elementary philosophy it was just endless filler.

every single elevator/gravity well/godzilla beam tunnel took everyone straight to the plot device because GvK has some of the worst pacing i’ve seen tbh.
I can’t even remember how they ended up with the defibrillator spaceship but lets not forget trying to take kong on a boat and then just handwaving it and flying him to antarctica after.

Everything involving hollow earth was handled horribly in GvK. Not to mention they just decide they’re all going to live down there in the desolate radioactive wasteland at the end?

They were rekt by godzilla gitting gud with atomic breath, exiled from hollow earth via skull island with the other rejects & skullcrawlers ate them all. Those weapons only worked via radiation so they were no good the farther they went to the surface.

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godzilland40 [quote=“NerdatorPrime, post:405, topic:26998”]
GvK literally sits the viewer down at the dinner table (which is set with delicious pizza from a small, independent shop owned by an actual pizza aficionado) and says DIG IN! And you do, and you’re satisfied at the end, slipping into a comfy Godzilla-pizza coma. Yes, it’s silly, but its charming all the same. The human story from Kotm was generally unlikable and nonsensical. The only emotion to it was Serizawas sacrifice. Charles Dance does play a good villain too.
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Actual copuim for shit plots, this is why you thought The Batman was shit.

Okay, if you want to compare the humans or plot shit from GKOTM to GvK, we can do that with what you’ve already talked about. That plot was not charming at all. For a movie that is charming or silly, it expects you to understand multiple things.

It expects you to already know the Hollow Earth, a location that was only alluded to in Kong Skull Island and was featured briefly in GKOTM. It throws the Storm on Skull Island at you with absolutely no explanation at all in the movie unless you had read the Kong comic before hand. Not even watching Skull Island would help you there.

As for GKOTM
Mark, our first protagonist is a flawed man at the start of the movie. He is separated from his wife and daughter who he shares very real concern for and while does not demonize his wife, disagrees with her ambitious fervor and has general trauma from losing his son during 2014.

He shows that he is not all there with how distrusts Godzilla and Titans in general, but as the movie goes on, he sees how Godzilla/Mothra are not some rampaging beasts that go around killing people for no reason which is what he demonized Godzilla as Post 2014. (Which is funny because Godzilla does exactly that next movie.) He then is given Serizawa’s notes as he literally figures out that Godzilla is the Key to Co-Existence like Serizawa was saying since 2014. Too bad he is a literal dumbass next movie for the sake of “Oh, godzilla changed, how can this be???” Fucker. You have the notes. You realize how animals/Titans work. How is he this dumb?

As for the other GKOTM, yea most of them were pretty undeeded but they brought a dynamic of military and science dudes working together rather well given their short screen times. Rick Rip Off guy was the worst but it’s whatever.

Over to GvK, we see Mark being dumb as mentioned before but we get introduced to Kong’s handler. She’s honestly decent enough. And then there’s Jia who is probably just as emotionally manipulated as Kong into going for this whole plan, almost dying in the battleship and all. Anyway, then there’s the Ex-Monarxh employee who is approached by Walter and Serizawa’s son. Walter could have had a good chracter but he had no fucking backstory, same as Serizawa’s son. At least the later had some development in that dogshit novel as being resentful towards Godzilla over being neglected by his father for Godzilla Research.

And then we have Madison Russell, who unironcally is probably the best “conventually acted” character in the movie otherwise than Jia but Jia’s actor is unironcally deaf so eh.

Her firend is literally a yes man that could have not been in the film and nonthing would change. Bernie is okay but he really just is Alex Jones Lite.

Both Bernie and Walter gush over Madison being the daughter of Emma Russell as if she wasn’t the bitch who tried to end the world in 2019. This could have made sense with the Cut Bullying Scene but it’s not in the movie so it’s weird.

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GvK had the worst climax via just throwing a generic teamup battle at the end wtf. None of the fights have any sense of scale & throughout the movie we’re just watching Kong be dragged into confrontations alongside deaf girl until he finally takes a few hits and “dies.” And then he fucks off to live in a radioactive dome in the earths core at the end.

We got burning goji in KOTM and atomic fatality in 2014. GvK was a barfight and its like no one’s even trying to kill anyone until mechaG shows up at the end. That’s not bad on it’s own but the movie was marketed like a fight and instead we got a confused kong that doesn’t want to be there and Godzilla really dedicated to torturing him just because.
G14’s an animal fight, KOTM was an ancient deity battle, GvK just feels silly.

GvK climax was literally the fat kid spilling a drink on mechadrones computer so they could get a hit in after being wailed on like unwanted stepchildren. The movie was filled with a bunch of poor climaxes to match the silly writing and that’s part of the problem.

ANOTHER essay

And?

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lmfao at this character.

The only logic for him even existing is some carryover from a previous script or GvK being butchered by corona.
Movie novelizations are always bad older drafts of scripts too.

Exactly, but most people want to believe the Novels as Canon, which is honestly dumb.

I’d even extend this to the comics but at least they get referenced.

Lad, I’m not saying Kotm was shit. I loved it. But objectively, the creature bits in Gvk were superior, and more exciting by being better shot, better lit and not obfuscated by rain, snow, clouds of dust/debris or a giant plane. And you shouldnt complain about the flask dumping bit, because in EVERY MV movie, the humans save the monster protagonist in some way. All 4 of em.

Sure, Kong never really had a chance, but thats kinda the point of their fight. Godzilla didn’t necessarily want to kill him outright, more to have Kong submit to G as king. And if he happened to die, so be it, otherwise he CERTAINLY would’ve killed Rodan for his active role in Kotm, but he spared him. Kong did his best, but he’s just not good enough. He bongs in hollow earth, while G looks after the entire surface world. It’s fine.

Burning Goji is great, but without Mothra it wasn’t gonna happen twice, so GvK couldn’t have Burning Goji. Instead, you got a brief team up, Kong finally submitted to G and was released to live peacefully, away from the surface.

Now the actual science-y stuff in both these films is ridiculous. GvK being moreso, by a large margin, but you gotta put on your sort of “Rick and Morty Don’t think about it” hat and suspend disbelief. Ffs, there are monsters physically incapable of existing by the laws of physics running around and we can’t accept a goofy flying craft? Come on now.

Neither movie sucks and neither is perfect. Like I said before, I think GvK MIGHT be 2% better than Kotm. That’s not unreasonable.

The Batman is the Little Ceasars of Batman films. It’s utter garbage. But, if you want to eat and attempt to digest garbage, I’m not gonna try and stop you.

GvK and KOTM are so close to one another in enjoyability, it’s nearly unnoticeable. One’s a little more Sci-fi than the other. That’s about it. These are kaiju films. They are by their very nature outlandish.