GODZILLA (and other kaiju)

#421

Poorly communicated in the film and partly because he still killed him anyway. Was he not trying to kill him in the ocean? Because ghidorah got rolled.
Monster bits in GvK are nonsensical much like the rest of the movie. The movie really suffered from the gravity well wacky wahoo adventure in empty hollow earth making up half the runtime.

ppl said the same about bayformers and there’s no reason for the MV to become bayformers lol. I would take obscured shots for a sense of scale leaving something to the imagination over daylight slapfights and WWE headcam anyday of the week.

#422

I disagree. Ghidorah was G’s ancient rival, and is clearly set up as a lethal antagonist early (granted, the long timers all know this already) simply by him eradicating so many troops and killing Vivian just because. G very well may have let Kong live in the ocean scene, if he’d “tapped out” in some way before the depth charges hit, then the Dr clearly states that one of them must “submit” before it ends. Also, (maybe I’m the only one) I thought perhaps G was dragging Kong into a hollow earth tunnel (how he arrived so johnny-on-the-spot innthe first place) for another beating, or perhaps a civil chat. There’s plenty of scale in all the movies, but GvK also gives the shameless “view from a safe rooftop” shots we all know and grew up with. And they made perfect sense to me, not hard to follow at all. Also, I’ve seen Bayformers and no, GvK is nothing like that Science-forsaken mess. Not by a long shot.

#423

Huh.

#424

@Disgruntled_Manlet
@Madisyn_Skye

Both excellent summary’s I hope it makes more sense in the sequel and this time one of them wins cough Godzilla cough

#425

Godzilla already won

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#426

Yeah, G was the clear winner.

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#427

Many essays have been written on this thread

#428

It’s a very important, academic subject, don’cha know…

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#429

Round one: technically a draw, but Godzilla was clearly the aggressor and had the upper hand the entire time. If not for human intervention, Godzilla would have drowned Kong easily.

Round two: Kong gets the knockdown from the axe, but it’s not a KO. Godzilla gets right back up. You could give it to Kong, based on the dialogue, but it reads more as another draw for me.

Final round: ha ha monke ribs go C R A C K. Obvious winner here.

#430

(Loud, annoying buzzer noise!) I dissent! Round 1 went to G. Yes, K was at a severe disadvantage, however Murphys law states that the enemy will attack when you are least prepared, and G attacked as such. Poor K was not only outclassed and out of his element, he was drugged slightly. But he still lost. Hard. The rest ofnypur assessment is accurate.

#431

The drug factor isn’t a factor cus I’m pretty sure it’s stated (if not it’s still evident) that his adrenaline was rushing and he clearly was no slog and ready for a fight in round 1.

#432

Saying it’s a draw is being very generous to Kong.

#433

What are you talking about? You actually think dizzying first person shots and never stopping switches between camera angles are better than what came before?
GvK’s fight scenes had no scale, weight, or even genuine tension. https://youtu.be/yic0kQxSwTk

The reason why is because of this camera work as seen in the HK fight. The camera changes from a good bird eye’s view of the Clash into what @Finessology aptly described as a bar brawl. There would be tension if we didn’t already know Mechagodzilla was what Apex had planned, or if Kong was given a actual reason to fight Godzilla. Because this is what happens. Godzilla gets mad he touched a Axe, he blasts into the Earth, roars, (probably called him a gamer word), and then Kong responds in kind, crawls out. But the funniest shit here is that it looks like Godzilla is leaving for like, no fucking reason other than to figure out what Apex was doing…then why blast into the Earth in the first fucking place? The animations and movement is absolutly whack. For example, Godzilla falls down, the camera closes to his face hitting the grond. We cut to Kong snarling and picking up his Axe from the building, and in that moment, Godzilla grapples with Kong as if he had just risen from the ground in a milosecond. There are so many other problems with GvK’s fight scenes like this. Plus the entire fight in terms of actual content is uninspired and probably ripped off of this YT Video:

Watch both of these side to side and tell me that shit wasn’t ripped off.

And for how this is relevant to the plot, let’s say that Godzilla continued on his way to Apex, there was no reason for Kong to crawl up and start the fight. Team Kong was not in danger. If anything, Team Godzilla was in danger.

Then there was actually dumb moments where Kong does a “gotcha” on Godzilla by throwing some shit at a building and Godzilla falls for it. This makes Godzilla look infinitely dumb when in the last movie we know that the Titans aren’t even this levels of dumb like Ghidorah realizing his own reflection.

No, that was definitely a kill move. You don’t grapple something in the water and go deeper to knock someone out, you do that to end their life. Add that to the “look at me I’m so evil now” list.

Downloadable Hollow Earth Energy says hi.

#434

I could tacitly see this, if not concede it. The writer went to lengths to say out loud that he’s mildly sedated. But sure, adrenaline could snuff that out. K still lost, adrenaline or sedated.

#435

Even if they gave him adrenaline he would lost haha, same result either way

#436

never understood this.
The axe explodes they fall down and thats a fighting game KO or something. It’s like calling it a round when they flipped the aircraft carrier.

I didnt know people were intepreting that line literally. I figured he just said it because he assumed kong was finally making a comeback before godzilla immediately got up. makes no sense in the context of the fight.

#437

It makes no sense at all, but yes, tons of people took that line literally.

#438

Oh, I’m so glad this happened. Now I get to do this…

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Hehehehehehehehehe… gifs…

Ahem… yes, I do believe they are better overall. Because I can see them clearly and the camera angles are interesting. New even. Not there’s anything wrong with KOTM’s. They’re good too. Small gripes only, with the cutaways and constant precipitation. But it’s impressive all the same.

The fights in both films had no tension either way, because I already knew what was going down in both films. They weren’t going to kill Godzilla, not when GvK was on the horizon. And, correctly, you said Mecha G was known too, so we could predict what was gonna go down there too. Zero tension. But fun and entertaining both times.

What happens is…
1.) Kong finds his ancestral home, picks up a cool axe.
2.) He activates the axes power (it being a bone and dorsal fin of a dead G.
3.) Godzilla sensing someone has been snooping about in the place no one is supposed to be, messing with his energy, blasts a hole to the place, like an angry dad whose kids are in the dad-cave playing with his Jackie Robinson autographed bat, and yells for them to knock it off.)
4.) The blast begins the destruction of Kongs throne room, he gets pissed and leaves.
5.) G, continues looking for Apex, which was why he’s in Hong Kong in the first place. Kong the Ape is more like a very disobedient teenager to him, constantly getting out of line, needing an ass-whooping.
6.) They fight. Kong gets in a few decent to good shots. Godzilla has enough, ends it quickly, decisively.
It’s done well, as is KOTM.

That cartoon is neat. There are a few vague similarities, but thats all, the same way G2k has a similar scene involving a big lizard and an suv, like Jurassic Park. No axe (the building weapon is more akin to the tree used in the original KKvG), they spend all of 5 seconds in the city, Kong throws some rocks, etc to distract G, makes a dust cloud to hide from the nuke-breath, they fight in a fairly standard way given how theyd both acted before in the previous MV films, G drags him under water etc… all of these things are, well, obvious things almost any filmmaker would do with these 2 characters. I do wonder if this artist would up working on the effects animation team in any way. Whoever they are certainly put some work in on it. That would be good for them.

Kong left Hollow earth because, in his mind, the same asshole that ruined his boating trip just blew his new house to Hell. He wasn’t happy and he had a shiny new axe to show off. Obvious.

Kong acts like an ape. He uses tools. Not a surprise. They do that. Not to that degree, of course, but he’s evolved. Of course G “falls” for it, he’s looking amongst the rubble for Kong.

Idk, I still think it could be either a drowning at or dragging to hollow earth. It’s subjective, up to the viewer. And G isn’t evil in the movie at all. More of an antagonist than the last 2, but Apex is pissing him off. Kong and Monarch are pissing him off. He’s a king whose subjects are acting like a bunch of dicks. He’s gotta lay out some smack, get things back in line.

Also, nope! No downloadable energy. I guess I’m like one of the 5 people who paid attention to the dialogue. They extract a sample, analyze it, send the data back to Apex for recreation. And given its a naturally occurring substance in this sci-fi world, it stands to reason it could be recreated on the surface.

You enjoy Little Ceasars and The Buttman. Your opinions are folly.

#439

It’s verbatim stated Kong is as smart as a human, at least around that level on intelligence

#440

G and mothra teamup was way more engaging than Godzilla and Kong getting rolled by mechaG.

I felt emotionally manipulated when rodan was being a drama queen acting like Mothra killed him. Same for godzilla being dropped from the atmosphere & ghidorah crucifying rodan.
Tension doesn’t mean death, just more compelling fights. Ergo not a slapfest. Only interesting bit in GvK was godzilla crawling around because the slapfight finally ended. A lot of the blame is on kong for being a lame opponent with nothing special except punching + axe, but still. Could’ve gone with more Godzilla vs the military and shot it from the ground instead of your heckin daylight overhead boring shots.

people whine about the lack of muh screentime in G14 but the scene with the jets falling out of the sky, crazy sound design, & the airport scene are pure cinema. That was the ideal sense of scale for the MV, GvK was bayformers. There are no visually aweing moments because its a boringly shot boxing match.

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