Dude doesn’t understand consistency either. We are explaining how we are against changing how established characters look or act in all cases, but his argument is that it happened in the past BEFORE WE WERE BORN might I add. It was wrong then, its wrong now.
John Wayne stole a spot? K thats bad, doesnt make doing it in reverse is ok. 2 wrongs dont make a right but 3 rights make a left.
Exactly. It was wrong in the past. It’s wrong now. If it keeps happening in the future, it’ll be wrong then too. If a character is designed one way they should stay that way. You don’t do something bad to counter somebody else doing bad.
Least I got confirmation from you, I couldn’t get that from anyone else up to this point. Always making it about star power and other shit that has no variable to this equation. If this was said in the beginning, it wouldn’t have to be drawn out as it did.
Well then let me clarify even more. I want Ariel to remain a white red head, just like I want Cyborg to remain black. If they make a movie based off an African legend/myth, then I want the cast/main character to be black. I would be offended either way if they were to change established characters, especially because they want controversy to spark sales.
Also disney butchered mulan and I will never forgive them for that… and many other reasons too but thats a long list.
It’s a simple argument. If a character is drawn, animated or otherwise computer generated, they can be VOICED by anyone. But if you’re going to bring that character into Live Action, then you should find somebody who LOOKS LIKE THEM.
Also whilst we’re still here. Explain to me why they didn’t hire this actress to play the lead role in a live action remake of Princess & the Frog instead? Why isn’t that movie being remade if they wanna promote her with an iconic disney princess role?
And if an established character has big knockers they best have big knockers in a live action version! Just like i would expect solid snake to have a large dick in a live action movie… or was it small? I need to check that post where they discussed it, shit killed me.
Snake has a HUGE ass. I hope the actor they hired for him in the upcoming live action movie also has a HUGE ass.
Also back on the topic of Princess & the Frog. If they remade that not only would they have an established, original Black princess to work with. They could get Keith David back to play the villain again since he was the VA for him in that movie. Not that they SHOULD be remaking shit, but if they’re gonna then they should promote what we actually got before.
To be honest, I would have liked this better. But also that film gotten fire because “black princess” , DA AGENDA, and among other things, so that film wasn’t free from controversy either. But hey, we can’t have nice things unfortunately.
Fuck it. This is now a Keith David appreciation thread. One of the best actors of all time.
I’m just going to make a clarification, the last one on this film:
The remake shouldn’t have happened. Stop with the remakes and get back into making new content again. Making her black is the least of my worries but the drama I’ve seen around it makes it so much bigger then it has to be that of course I’m going to think the blacklash is racist as hell that a black mermaid can’t exist, as i seen many reactionary people have an anti-black take rather then more movie critique take up to the point that it made major news of people just hating on her rather than tackling the real issues of constant poor quality remakes. It’s terrible that it’s shallow pandering to the audience that is causing infighting but also I can’t hate on it so hard as I seen many videos of children being happy to see someone like themselves on screen, which this film is geared towards and not the reactionary crowd that isn’t even going to see the film anyway even if the character is accurate, so I’m not going to be a disgusting child hater for that. It’s a family film that I can tell many kids will enjoy so I can’t 100% hate on it but I still want more original content. This isn’t cut and dry as people make it out to be and at the end of the day, its going to make its money and Disney will move on to another filthy remake.
The argument has never been that dark skinned mermaids can’t exist. It’s that Ariel isn’t & never was. They had a Latina Mermaid who spoke in Sign Language in the TV show and nobody had a problem, why not make a movie about her? Literally no one has said Mermaids, or Elves, can’t be black or whatever other ethnicity. It’s that Ariel should be played by a Redhead because she was designed as one.
Why the fuck are people so worried about characters looking like them? Shouldnt they care more about, idk, the content of said character? I can find relatable characters that look nothing like me in any way shape or form and find characters that do look like me that i dont relate to. I guess we’re going full swing away from caring more about WHAT a person is over WHO a person is. If a kid cares that much, and i dont think they realistically do, then it means the parents or lack there of are doing a shit job.
The idea that characters need to look like you to care about them is SUPER Narcisstic. Shit man when I was growing up, I related most to characters who looked like this. If people can’t relate to anything different from them, we’ve raised a generation of self centered pricks.
People had used that same argument of why this current literation shouldn’t exist too.
Funny that both sides use this character to bolster their arguments. And I wouldn’t say “nobody” because the famous internet city hall known as Twitter had plenty of folks hating on her for being black rather than character accuracy. Some right wing pundit named Matt Walsh even tried to use “science” to justify Ariel’s white skin to reject her dark color and many people sided on his argument, along side other right wing pundits. Maybe some sensible people out there tried to have some kind of constructive conversation about this but mostly it was taken by white supremacists who were hating on her for her black skin.
Also, I believe that she is modeled around a actual child that passed away from leukemia so I don’t think it would be that easy to bring up the image of a deceased child for them to market around
Because when all you’re life you are told that you are nothing but only a future welfare queen or a boarder hopping illegal alien, people tend to look at themselves negativity over time. In a fucked up cycle, this also feeds into the minds of racists/bigots into being more racists/bigots, as what you see on TV and media always “informs” what they “know”. Instead of that, you portray people who can have positive character traits, do good, and never give up on doing good and it so happens that they also look like you, can give people a sense of hope and a figure to look up to. Positive role models, as I seen many people always say media should put out more, so yeah put them out more and will it really hurt if those positive role models happen to look like them too? Not at all, so why not?
Superman didn’t need to be latino for me to look up too as a badass hero that genuinely wants to see the good in all, but I know that someone else needs a stronger message that they can be more and happen to look like them too. So then create new heroes for them to look up too, and I know that Black Panther and Miles Morales had greatly made into role models for younger audiences to look up too. If it comes into a positive form that creates a happier and stronger generation then I am all for it.
So then why the fuck would you defend race swaps when you know the skin color of a character doesn’t affect their relatability, when you have seen that original characters can have just as much impact? Literally defeats all reason to defend this shit. Just because others you disagree with don’t like it? That’s petty as shit.
Because I’ve also said in our last conversation that many kids also saw the recent Little Mermaid with themselves, so I can’t fully hate on that since it’s catering to them, the main audience. Hence the video I showed you in that time. Also there were plenty of white kids who also were just happy to see her in live action too, so again, the race swap doesn’t get the kids upset, rather it just gets some kids who happen to be black get excited at a character they can identify with. There isn’t white kids getting mad at this. The adults however…? Oh boy…
Kids are fucking stupid and using them as a shield just makes you look stupid too. Kids liked it? Kids like sticking their fingers up their nose & flossing in the middle of a road, don’t mean jack or shit.
Personally, I wouldn’t defend the watering down or regression of kids media. Back in the day we got stuff like Gargoyles which had a diverse cast, tackled deep societal issues & was well written & timeless. Still made for kids. You literally don’t see stuff like it made today.
Yeah and they also feel terrified and upset when their parents are going to separate and think if they can’t love each other no more then they wouldn’t love them. Some kids are way smarter then us, as one is taught to be racist and kids aren’t born racist. Already a few steps ahead from us I say. They are growing up in the world and having messages and role models that they can look up to and relate can inspire the better side of people, then again, I will support it. And I’m talking about this, not fully on the Mermaid thing as I said multiple times, I’m still iffy on that but it’s why I can’t fully hate or argue against it so like everyone else is doing.
