New Sniper rifle and Isabelle are average in my opinion.

[YUPPERS]

looks like u answered all your questions.

[Xan84]

I don’t really have questions, just arguing that making snipers projectiles and having bullet drop does not make much sense in this game.

[YUPPERS]

the game is balanced is its going to get.

[Xan84]

Yep, that’s what I think just as well and the fact that the devs made no balance changes its probably another indication of that.

[Eshtion]

@Xan84

I don’t even think the engine can handle so many calculations for projectiles

Plasma prototype

@Xan84

snipers have nice damage at range, is that not the point of snipers?

Yes.

Too much damage though

@Xan84

Get close and that damage goes down, I mean in close quarters I would take and LMG over a sniper any day.

You have access to a pistol and a SMG

You’ll be fine

@Xan84

Right now, I don’t think anything is as OP as you make them, game seems quite ballanced.

You can track Pred with sound so stealth is useless

Pred has to either be close or slow down drastically to deal damage

FT out DPS Pred

@Xan84

Its not enough time to deduce where the predators will pop from and shoot him before he pulls back releasing the plasma.

It’s literally the same except you aim a bit higher

@Xan84

Then imagine him running trough trees.

Then you aim in front of him

@Xan84

You have limited windows to shoot the predator before he repositions or get’s out of loss

Enough time to shoot them

@Xan84

What you want from snipers is quite a massive nerf.

Yes

@Xan84

Does not matter what weapons you use, AI will be a problem.

I think I understand why you don’t think the game is FT sided

@Xan84

They are not meant to kill you, they are meant to drain resources, make you never at full health and give away your possition as well as distract you so predator can get easy shots in.

Okay

Does it matter when they’re all dead in 5 seconds?

@Xan84

There should’ve never been missions in this game where you don’t move between bases,

Well there are

@Xan84

I run with the hammerhead, if I find him eating and I open fire I don’t wind him

Hammer one mags

Probably catching him too late

[Xan84]

I don’t know how the plasma prototype works and what are the effects on the engine, I just threw a guess. I remember when I had everything on max and the game run great (on PC) and then the predator shoot a plasma and all the particles going around gave me like 1-2 frames.

I don’t think snipers do to much damage. Devs are on the same line would seem. Snipers are a means to punish certain play styles. If they where so powerful, we would all be using them and we are not.

Yes, I had an SMG when I run my AR, point is in like 90% + of cases when the pred is around long enough, I end up using bot clips (the AR and SMG) before he goes low enough. If he jumps you and you got only 1 of them and the team is not right there to back you, you could very well not do so well as long as the predator has some skills.

Stealth is not useless. Predators can do hit and runs, that the point of the class. Not run around like Flash and shooting like crazy as you leap and sprint. FT can’t shoot as they sprint just as well. Predators are meant to use mobility as an advantage. Also and quite frankly from what I’ve seen around here people seem to think its quite well balanced now.

All 4 people shooting at the predator that just stands there, yes. You will out DPS him. That is a very bad pred. That is not how its supposed to work. The predator has a ton of damage that if employed right wins him the game. He is NOT supposed to tank shots like that and deal the damage back.

I’ve seen someone play around with the new sniper, its a lot more then aim higher, travel distance/time is a bitch.

Aim in front of him… Like seriously? Are you playing only Pred man? I’ve seen console players who can’t shoot the predator who runs around them, just circling the FT guy and that individual can’t turn around fast enough to shoot him. How would you like if they removed the massive AOE from plasma caster and then would just tell you, just aim better as a response?

You keep making statemants that mean little. Like “enough time to shoot them” its like I would say “its not enough time to shoot him”.

Instead of wanting massive nerfs to the snipers (as you admited) perhaps just try to learn to deal with them better.

The game is not FT sided(perhaps at the extremely top) and I fail to see what my argument with AI has to do with this but with just another line (like I said before) that means little does not convey much. This game is skilled favored, if you’re good you will win a ton no matter what side you chose.

What you just said about the AI, being dead in 5 seconds goes against all the complains people had over the years about them. How they spawn right behind you doing massive damage, showing the predator your location and quite frankly when you end up killing like 90 in certain games it get’s on absurd levels.

I am telling you, I get there as he eats, I shoot him up close and he finishes and leaves. Happened more then once.

[Eshtion]

@Xan84

I don’t know how the plasma prototype works and what are the effects on the engine

It works fine (and it’s explosive as well)

@Xan84

I remember when I had everything on max and the game run great (on PC)

Ya but there’s a lot of stuff to unpack whether that’s the game or the PC’s fault.

@Xan84

If they where so powerful, we would all be using them and we are not.

A. They take skill

B. FT is broken in general

This is a general nerf. Not a sniper nerf.

@Xan84

If he jumps you and you got only 1 of them and the team is not right there to back you,

Why isn’t your team there to back you?

@Xan84

Predators can do hit and runs

Sounds ques

@Xan84

FT can’t shoot as they sprint just as well. Predators are meant to use mobility as an advantage.

So what’s the problem with giving that mobility a buff

@Xan84

Also and quite frankly from what I’ve seen around here people seem to think its quite well balanced now.

Popularity Fallacy

@Xan84

He is NOT supposed to tank shots like that and deal the damage back.

Can’t use stealth because leaping makes noise, branches makes noise, walking makes noise, crouching is too slow.

Can’t stealth

Slow down because that’s the only way to deal damage.

You have to tank damage.

@Xan84

Aim in front of him… Like seriously? Are you playing only Pred man?

Well you’d still have to learn it and call your shots. I’m just saying it’s possible.

If your using a projectile, and you have a moving target, you need to shoot where he’s going to be.

If he’s jumping too much time your jump to hit him on the land.

Besides his mobility is supposed to be his advantage right?

@Xan84

I’ve seen console players who can’t shoot the predator who runs around them

I’ve seen people who have trouble just moving their camera around.

Should we implement a nuke for them?

@Xan84

How would you like if they removed the massive AOE from plasma caster and then would just tell you, just aim better as a response?

Depends on the balance.

I think the caster would be fine without AOE.

@Xan84

You keep making statemants that mean little. Like “enough time to shoot them” its like I would say “its not enough time to shoot him”.

What am I supposed to do calculate the exact speed a projectile would need to travel?

Projectiles still moves fast, fast enough to hit a peaking target.

@Xan84

Instead of wanting massive nerfs to the snipers (as you admited) perhaps just try to learn to deal with them better.

Even if you were right that this is a personal problem, skill is irreverent. If my argument is solid it’s solid.

@Xan84

perhaps at the extremely top

Ta da

Randoms don’t matter because they can just be qued up with whoever is a good match since this is an asymetrical game. (If they’d ever implement skill based matchmaking) but at the high tier levels FT don’t get a good match and any preds that they do face (since there aren’t preds capable of being that good) will get destroyed.

@Xan84

How they spawn right behind you doing massive damage

I think that’s a bug more than anything. In the majority of cases that doesn’t happen

@Xan84

showing the predator your location

That only affects you if your losing already.

[Xan84]

I know the gun, I don’t know how it works from the engine point of view.

I don’t think its PC, me and my mate have pretty good PCs and had similar issues. Optimization is not that good.

If you think FT is broken right now, its a skill issue for sure. Also you don’t see full premades running around with only snipers. They are not overused anywhere.

If you want to apply same thing for all weapons, it means you want to nerf FT drastically, you really need such drastic changes to win games?

Yes, people can make mistakes, not keep line of sight. This game is about burst, predator has 1 shoot capabilities. It does not take long to kill before someone turns a corner to help.

You keep going with sounds ques, I suggest you have a look how the good players do it and try to replicate. Cloak is not so the predator can just sit there and shoot all day and not be found. Sounds ques as well as weapon trails are there so you CAN find the predator and he needs to keep moving an repositioning.

You seriously don’t see issues with giving predator the ability to shoot at sprint or leaping when the game is damn balanced right now?

The developers think is balanced ( no balance changes) as well as quite a few from the community. If we don’t base our finding on this I have no idea on what you feel like basing them on? Your opinion? I don’t think what I said is really a fallacy.

Then you follow with I can’t do this or that because it gives me away. You are not using stealth as it was meant to.

His mobility is supposed to be an advantage that is based on current balance where weapons lose efficiency with distance, branches provide prottection and weapons have hit scan (well most of them). Adding a big nerf to weapons would screw up the balance, is that no obvious?

When I said I’ve seen people not having the ability to turn fast enough to shoot the predator, was me pointing out at issues with the controller. If you add on top of that also the need to shoot ahead of him…

If you think that caster would be fine with no AOE try proposing that and see the people pick up those pitchforks.

No, you don’t need to calculate the speed of the projectile, just make more of an argument. The predator is in stealth and on top of a building. He needs to do a quick show. To stop him before he releases the target its already hard. Try trading AR shots with a predator spamming the PC. You don’t stand a chance. Just did this attempt. Played a support with 200 HP and hammerhead. Not a chance. Its a major issue how much damage you lose with distance as well as tree cover and the new specializtions, you MELT! You have to keep running and dodging unless you have some good sniper on your team.

You argument being solid is a personal opinion of yours, this is not math. If we judge by the devs it would seem they felt no need to change things.

Do you hit quick play there bud? If Quick Play does not matter to you then stop complaining, go into custom matches with some friends, set whatever rules you want and take turns fighting one another. Now if you expect to use quick play, find some other arguments aside for that does not matter.
Now FTs don’t get a good match at top because so few GOOD predators. See Sharpy play and how well he does against PC premades. Nothing but bow and melee (well for the most part). This qualifies at the TOP and he CAN win and wins a lot. Is so much easy to complaing about the balance and not expect to lose from time to time.

AI spawning behind you is not a bug and it happens often, my last game just now had me looking down to mud up and the second instance an AI spawned right in front of me (since I was looking down and game considered that out if view).

If you think the only instances when you want to hide from the predator is when you’re losing I will point against to the skill issue stated above.

[Eshtion]

@Xan84

If you think FT is broken right now, its a skill issue for sure

@Xan84

The game is not FT sided(perhaps at the extremely top

Bruh

Also FT main btw so nice try

@Xan84

Also you don’t see full premades running around with only snipers.

Because AR’s overtook snipers when specializations came in.

It has nothing to do with use since use doesn’t mean strong

@Xan84

you really need such drastic changes to win games?

You mean to lose games?

@Xan84

Yes, people can make mistakes, not keep line of sight. This game is about burst, predator has 1 shoot capabilities. It does not take long to kill before someone turns a corner to help.

Doesn’t take long for a one second revive from support either, or for four FT members to melt Pred

@Xan84

Sounds ques as well as weapon trails are there so you CAN find the predator and he needs to keep moving an repositioning.

And I’m saying repositioning doesn’t matter because FT will just hear you reposition.

@Xan84

when the game is damn balanced right now?

Neh I’m just bad

@Xan84

The developers think is balanced

Appeal to authority fallacy

@Xan84

as well as quite a few from the community.

Mob fallacy

@Xan84

If we don’t base our finding on this I have no idea on what you feel like basing them on

Facts

FT can track the Pred through sound ques

Pred has no mobility when attacking

FT can out dps Pred

Even if one FT is in A.I they can still do it.

@Xan84

You are not using stealth as it was meant to.

I don’t use stealth at all.

@Xan84

His mobility is supposed to be an advantage that is based on current balance where weapons lose efficiency with distance, branches provide prottection and weapons have hit scan (well most of them). Adding a big nerf to weapons would screw up the balance, is that no obvious?

This is assuming balance

@Xan84

When I said I’ve seen people not having the ability to turn fast enough to shoot the predator, was me pointing out at issues with the controller. If you add on top of that also the need to shoot ahead of him…

If you can aim to him you can aim ahead of him

@Xan84

If you think that caster would be fine with no AOE try proposing that and see the people pick up those pitchforks.

What’s the point here?

@Xan84

Try trading AR shots with a predator spamming the PC

You take cover and make him reposition or you reposition to get a better view.

@Xan84

You argument being solid is a personal opinion of yours, this is not math

You have one gun that has a dos of 200

You have another with the DPS of 300

The second gun is factually stronger.

This applies to other aspects as well even if they are more nuanced.

And if you can be right your argument can be solid.

@Xan84

If we judge by the devs it would seem they felt no need to change things.

Fine

HEY EA

ALL THOSE MICROGRAMS ACTIONS YOU ADDED

YA THEY’RE FINE BECAUSE THE DEVS DEFENDED THEM

ALSO MEA IS PERFECTLY FINE BECAUSE THE DEVS CHANGED WHAT THEY THOUGHT NEEDED CHANGE SO GOOD GAME

@Xan84

Do you hit quick play there bud? If Quick Play does not matter to you then stop complaining

What

Where did this come from?

@Xan84

Now if you expect to use quick play, find some other arguments aside for that does not matter.

Okay

There are homeless people

“That doesn’t matter”

You can’t say it doesn’t matter

Sometimes things don’t matter and it needs to be said.

People in the middle Don’t matter torwards balancing because there’s no set precident for who they should go up against. The same is not true for top tier.

Oh and BTW you’ve used two fallacies on me so I’m not taking this very seriously anymore.

Not to poisen the well, you do have some good arguments. I’m just done.

[REYNOSO_FUA11]

@Xan84

The developers think is balanced ( no balance changes) as well as quite a few from the community.

By this logic the game works as intended and audio bug doesn’t exist as the devs haven’t fixed that for months same with the mole mission on airstrip that makes the mission completely unbeatable.

@Eshtion

ALSO MEA IS PERFECTLY FINE BECAUSE THE DEVS CHANGED WHAT THEY THOUGHT NEEDED CHANGE SO GOOD GAME

[Thunder-Cats]

It’s almost a clip and a half

[Fire]

You can never find the mole because, rey, you must look inward.
You were the mole the entire time buddy.

We did buddy.
We found the mole.
It’s ok now.
It’s over.

[Durbs2001]

[SkooLBoY_SkePtiK]

@Thunder-Cats

It’s almost a clip and a half

Do you know which weapon and how far away the disk was?

[Fire]

Instead of taking away the AOE of caster. You’re better off giving different firing modes.

Also, take away aoe and it’s no longer a fun or effective weapon.

[REYNOSO_FUA11]

[Eshtion]

I don’t think it should but I wouldn’t complain either

[Fire]

There would be no point in it the pc then.

[Eshtion]

Doesn’t a full charge deal more damage than a charged bow?

[Fire]

No idea but that’s not the point.
PC cant melt through walls.
And its speed is only ok.

Take away the aoe, it becomes useless.
Especially for people hiding indoors.

Unless you give lock on caster,
Taking away aoe would just ruin it.