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[Idunno56]

Nobody cares also seems someone’s mad :)

[Slasher_Clone]

While I agree with the heart of your comment, I have to disagree in a small way. The way American politics is operating currently everything is a political position to one side, anything they don’t agree with they virtue signal what side of the false dichotomy they’re on and make attacks based from that position. To shut them the hell up, sometimes I need to be a touch political myself.

(The irony being it’s been most often in the defence of the original posts life choices, which are no ones concern but their own… which means they’re definitely allowed to state them if they so choose. Man that foot note got wordy.)

[TheETgamer]

I understand where you are coming from. Most things in America is very one sided and yes people hate opinions that contradict there own so I understand when you need to educate someone or call them out.

[Lazycollinator]

Hey, I just replied to you on the other thread. Im gonna quote my reply, then add some more onto it, figure if we are gonna get into it, might as well go into detail.

@Lazycollinator

Wait are you onlyhereforpreds? This a second account? Regardless, Im sorry that that happens to you. Nobody deserves to be descriminated against, especially for something that is so off topic from the rest of this (Explains why you brought up TLOU2 tho). While I agree that the reaction to a trans inclusion in that game has been fucking dumb, Like I said, if the story was bad in the long run, it doesnt matter who they do/dont include imo. But most other people are still stuck in the past, and we are living smack dab in the middle of times where people are both uncomfortable/hateful about trans people, and inclusions are being put down to try and normalize it so people can stop treating others like shit for it. Its rough times, and I respect you for pushing through that.

Now I really do mean this. But there is a flip side as well. It takes two to make war, and make no mistake, this has become a political war of sorts. So I want to discuss it a bit. I hope you dont find offense in what I say. I am not trying to attack you by any means, I really do mean it when I said I respect you.

First off I just wanna say, this is hilariously on point in most cases. Unfortunate but true.

@PredRulesFTDrools

Oh and I mentioned that I happen to be trans, and it went about as well as well as a BLM rally might have went if situated next to a KKK BBQ.

Now onto the serious stuff.

@PredRulesFTDrools

“Keep politics out of games reeee”

Shut the fuck up, idiot. Everything is political or nothing is. I’m trans. That’s not political. That’s my fucking life. You fuckers posting all these gross conjectures about my life because you’re so stupid your pool of knowledge about trans people may as well be Jerry fucking Springer. FYI that character you kept memeing senator Armstrongs face over in my first OP ever? From TLOU2?
That bitch isn’t even the trans character in the game. There literally is NO trans woman in TLOU2 that I am aware of, to this day, and it’s been out for awhile now.

You are correct. This is your life, And people should respect that. However it has become political, because in the trans communities thirst for acceptance, many of its members, make every argument about them being trans. This really doesnt help you guys in terms of support from the rest of society. This is your lives, and people should respect that, whether or not they agree with it. However, when you make your life, the focal point of every argument, Peoples beliefs one way or another are going to come out in their response. Hence how it has become a very hot yet sensitive topic for debate politically.

Add onto that, that most of the time these arguments become extremely toxic fast. People dont just take them as topics of debate, they take them as personal attacks both ways. Hence why it is a war. Its devolved to a point of people on each side just trying to hurt the other. and it makes both sides look bad, depending where you sit. I understand the frustration in the face of all of the shit you must face on the daily for just being you. But in my opinion, the highly immature ways that these frustrations are typically released, really does hurt you in the long run. It makes supporting trans people harder, because you guys tend to look really aggressive, and on top of that, because you make being trans a part of every argument you make, you are quite literally opening the floodgates for all of the negative energy from those who dont agree.

Look I mean you do you, its your life, freedom of speech. I just hope that in saying this I can help you realise how you look from the outside looking in. And how it could be a detriment to not only yourself, but the rest of the trans community.

As for TLOU2, I really dont know much about the game, only the controversity surrounding it, but I said my peace on it on that reply I quoted at the beginning so I will just leave that as is.

Everything else going forward is gonna be short replies as the most important shit was already said.

@PredRulesFTDrools

“Mentioning anything about surgery, or medical stuff as a way to justify your bigotry and disgust with trans people”

Again. You said that shit. Not me. You just ASSUMED trans woman. You just AUTOMATICALLY think about surgery and stuff when you read the word “trans.” That’s YOUR FAULT. It isn’t my fault that when YOU read anything about trans people YOU get grossed out. That shit is on you. Sort out your issues, or fuck off maybe?

okay I lied, this is gonna be a big one. A lot of people think trans has to do with surgery, and while to some extent thats a symptom of it (For lack of a better term), its not the main thing. I dated a trans person for a year, F-M. My best friend also came out as trans a while back. So I have a little more of an understanding than most. as much as you can have without being a part of it I suppose. But in reality its as much mental as it is physical. Im not too big brain on it so I wont say more than that. But people need to understand that the surgery side is more of an optional thing. Its not about that stuff for all trans people, though for most it is something they consider (at least partially).

Please do correct me if Im wrong. I only have two examples, so my pool of knowledge is very limited.

@PredRulesFTDrools

One of you bastards even had to nerve to postulate that Yautja HRT would just kill all their trans members off out of their tribe. Just say “I hate trannies, and wish they’d all die.” You get your message across much faster that way.

I remember complaining about the lack of a red hair option, and someone’s all “durr durr redheads are dying off who cares.” What the fuck is wrong with you? A, that isn’t true, and B even if it WAS that’d probably be a better reason to not be shit about it?

Get used to this game being basically exactly how it is now, because nothing is going to change, and it’s honestly all y’alls fault.

I agree The lack of change is all of our fault. I also agree that the dumb ass shit people have said about these things is honestly cancer inducing. Side note, I really would love a red hair option.

@PredRulesFTDrools

Don’t matter to me none, because aside from REALLY coordinated pro fps players I’m still ripping out skulls, and spines just fine. So if you’re all toxic garbage I have 0 need to ever bother with you people, and that suits me.
Ain’t ever gonna see “teabag of friendship” from this preddy, and I’ll be studying the daily objectives and ensuring that if I can deny every last one of you I FUCKING WILL.

Lol yeah pred is pretty easy most of the time.

Also I really like this screenshot you have. Im not very well politically versed when it comes to capitalism, or anything it entails (even though I live in its society.) But I can see the impact it has. Im sure we all can.

Anyways once again, thanks for reading. I really do hope you dont feel as though I was being hateful in what I said. I just wanted to say my peace. And even though this ultimately will only reach you, and not the rest of the trans community. I still hope it helps in some way. Thanks for reading.

[PredRulesFTDrools]

“Thirst for acceptance” fuck off. Aside from that good reply.

[Lazycollinator]

@PredRulesFTDrools

“Thirst for acceptance” fuck off. Aside from that good reply.

Lol Okay lets be honest its true. but I didnt mean it in a bad way. you absolutely should have a thirst for acceptance. And you should be fighting for it. Its not unwarranted. Everyone deserves to be accepted. we are all human at the end of the day. I apologize for making it sound like a bad thing.

@PredRulesFTDrools

I wasn’t expecting any level of humility or humanity.

Also Felt like answering this here for simplicities sake. I am glad to reciprocate it. I know you arent a bad person, despite how you may come off because of the frustrations. Just wanted to treat you like a human being. Lead by example.

Edit

One more thing. I want to say I rather enjoyed this discussion. Im glad I decided to speak on it. Things are so much better when people just act civilised.

[PredRulesFTDrools]

Some people really thirst for acceptance, but you don’t need to be trans to be like that.

Most of us just want a choice in life that amounts to more than street walking sex worker, or porn star. And I’d like to be able to maybe fucking speculate about trans aliens being better and more accepted than here irl. I’m entitled to that fiction as much as you are all that you’re special ops badasses.

[Lazycollinator]

I agree there.

[PredRulesFTDrools]

Also I’d like to stop fearing for my trans friends lives. I’d like to stop wondering “am I ever gonna see that person again? Are they gonna be okay?” if they’re black and trans. I don’t really give a fuck about acceptance from cis people tbh. I gave up on that a LONG time ago. I was a marine vet before I came out, and everyone I ever knew before I came out has been garbage. Ppl I served with who stuck with me through thick and thin in Afghanistan blocked me. I lost family. I lost friends. I found my own community, and my own way. I tried to post about it here and there and I’ve gotten used to this sort of shit. So yeah, it’s surprising when I get scant humanity but it doesn’t mean I’m going to kiss anyone’s asses over it either. When the world stops stereotyping my people maybe I’ll be less hostile out the gate lmao

[PredRulesFTDrools]

i guess I just misunderstood you tho

[Lazycollinator]

I can understand that. Like I said, we are right at the beginning of an uphill battle and you are quite literally one of the soldiers. But as I said, lead by example. This is a fire, that cant be fought with fire. People need to be able to see humanity in you, to return it. I had the priveledge of not only dating a trans person, but also being best friends with one. It showed me that you guys are just as human as the rest of us. you deserve better. But not everyone gets that priveledge to see. So show them. Be the better person. Thats how this war is won. Obviously its gonna be hard, and you are right, There will always be people that hate you. I mean shit my girlfriend (black) still gets discriminated against all the time online. Its sad to see how Unempathetic a lot of people still are. But you still need people on your side to get to a point where you can feel any sense of security.

And dont worry, About misunderstanding me. Its hard to see light when your life has been shrouded in darkness for so long. Im truly sorry for what you had to go through though, and what you still do. Its disheartening.

Side note. I fucking knew it was you as soon as you mentioned you were trans. Your story you shared before was something I wont ever forget. Thank you again for sharing some of it. “Onlyhereforthepreds1”.

[Lazycollinator]

Hopefully the devs keep this thread up. I think this is an important discussion for people on here to read. Im glad to be a part of it.

[kingjam3469]

[kingjam3469]

U jus gotta make everything bout urself don’t ya

[Lazycollinator]

How quickly a rather important/decent discussion gets followed up by something as dumb as this, is still mind boggling.

[kingjam3469]

I didn’t read all that crap u guys were saying, I just read the post. This dude is the toxic one constantly saying how they’re transgender and how they’re like “wah wah no female customization. U guys r dumbasses it’s all politics or no politics” I’m sick of seeing this dude complain and whine like a bitch all the time

[Lazycollinator]

Okay fair enough, its not entirely unwarranted. Please do read the rest of the discussion though. I think its rather tied up nicely. And might help ease this pettiness.

Replies 7-15 are our discussion.

[PredRulesFTDrools]

Lmao fuck that motherfucker.
Dude isn’t gender neutral either. It’s history is etymologically married to the word dandy, which means an effeminate man.

“Boo hoo hoo nigga, stfu”
No u.

Now what? Now you look like an idiot, and your obvious transphobic bullshit proves my point too. Cis people are such a joke. You mofos use the song “DUDE LOOKS LIKE A LADY” in a movie like Mrs Doubtfire, and so much other media, and then suddenly cuz a bunch of crusty white liberal shits from California decided without the trans community that “dude” is gender neutral that you can just use it to mess with us, and also claim you ain’t playing games. We fucking see you, bitch lmao 👀 own it.

I don’t CARE if you’re tired of it. Don’t look at it, punk. How do you like that?

[Lazycollinator]

At the end of the day, do you, but im invested in this topic now because of our discussion and would like very much for it not to be taken down lol.

Edit

Actually ima just save a copy in case.

[TheETgamer]

Useless threats, attacks and just plain toxic comments arent going to help either side of this discussion.