What Lazy would do as a community moderator.

[Lazycollinator]

Fire I understand where you are coming from.

Its not fair for us to treat you like the bad guy because she misinterpreted what you said. Which is easy to do because its hard to tell intent through text unless you know the person.

But whenever that happens to me, I apologize, not for what I said, but for how I said it. I apologize that I did not word it in such a way that they may understand. That usually is enough to avoid the vast majority of drama that comes with miscommunication.

I know you arent a bad guy. Just like I know she aint a bad girl. This entire fight could have been avoided. Thats what ive been trying to explain to her.

And all the other people starting shit tonight could have been avoided too, by doing the simplest most darndest thing. You ready?

Let. It. Go.

Move on. Spend your life doing something more productive than bickering with someone you dislike simply because you cant keep your ego in check. (not meant for you fire per say, more so other people that actually do attack her constantly)

[Slasher_Clone]

@Fire

You know me pretty well on this forum.
Do I actually try to attack people and start shit?

No you don’t… there’s a but coming, but you did join the discussion in her previous thread in a way that was clearly upsetting for her.

If you were simply misunderstood, I honestly can’t see why apologizing for that is so hard to do. I fuck up too man, we can talk privately about the reasons I do things but I apologize if I make a mistake, I don’t leave loose threads.

[BadBlood]

[Fire]

I’m not really holding on to it in the typical sense.
I’ve no intention or plans to bother/attack them.

To be honest I didn’t plan in talking to them outside of this thread, as to avoid any problems.

My only concern was, and is, someone says something they take the wrong way and then bullshit happens in that thread.

But I honestly dont plan on bothering them.
The only way il get involved is the same way il always do, if I feel something needs to be said.

So if that was a concern, dont worry about it.

[Lazycollinator]

@Lazycollinator

You are quite literally putting a kick me sign on your back and then getting upset when the dumbasses that dont have enough common sense not to actually kick you, do exactly that. Then you turn around, kick them straight in the nuts, and then play victim.

Trust me fire, I am with you. I already said it.

[Fire]

I typically do, if Iknow it’s a misunderstanding.
But in this one the line they crossed and how they came at me is different.

Unlike most people that just say things out of anger, they meant what they said.
I can typically pick up on stuff like that.

That’s why I refuse to apologize.
Because they werent just talking shit.

Everything they said to me, they meant.
I cant just let that go, and try to start anew.

I wont come after them as that would serve no propuse.
But I also cant justify pretending it didnt happen.

Sorry slasher.
But not this time.

[NeonPred]

Please don’t mention genitals on this forum. That image is cringe worthy. Cis gendered males should not be forced to undergo circumcision at the hands of medical authorities when they are born.

[Slasher_Clone]

No worries brother. Everybody has their lines, I don’t think she meant what she said to you. I think she meant the feeling, that feeling was directed at a concept of who she thought you were.

[Lazycollinator]

@NeonPred

Please don’t mention genitals on this forum.

proceeds to talk about genitals

[BadBlood]

[Slasher_Clone]

Grownups are talking mate.

I do agree circumcision is a bad practice, but that has nothing to do with what they were referring too. So not on topic, also not really a thing you are likely to convince people of, it’s cultural.

[NeonPred]

Sorry my post was made tongue-in-cheek. But seriously, our medical practices are barbaric and need to be changed.

[Slasher_Clone]

I agree. Not on topic though.

PS. Technically the rest is on topic, as Lazy is demonstrating how he can calm people and mediate. 😁

[BadBlood]

[Lazycollinator]

Can’t *

[Come2WhingeStay4fun]

Fire. You, and others might know you. But I don’t. You also don’t know me, at all, even thought you’re convinced you do.

I’ve been playing fireteam with my GF. I haven’t ignored anyone yet, because it hasn’t been nearly as bad tonight as it has in the past. So even though I now know how to ignore people in theory, I haven’t put that new knowledge to use just yet.

[Come2WhingeStay4fun]

Continuing the discussion from What Lazy would do as a community moderator.:

I’m assuming most participants of this discussion are currently asleep. . . and I initially debated internally about writing this in direct reply to @NeonPred, but I didn’t want it to get lost or not noticed, so I just quote you again and again instead Neon. Sorry a bit in advance.
But honestly WAT EVEN is this comment? I don’t mean any antagonism, but just . . . what???

@NeonPred

Please don’t mention genitals on this forum. That image is cringe worthy. Cis gendered males should not be forced to undergo circumcision at the hands of medical authorities when they are born.

How is this even a response to me saying anything…??? Why is this a response to me saying anything? It doesn’t make sense. It’s in response to a bigger comment, but this part is what’s considered the most contentious to you…?

@Come2WhingeStay4fun

I’ve already had my genitals dragged through tabasco drenched glass shards by this community.

This is a hyperbolic exaggerated half joke half metaphor for how I was treated. It hasn’t got anything to do with actual circumcision at all. . . I’m sorry NeonPred, but I’m gonna break down your comment piece by piece because frankly I’m both baffled, and fascinated with what you could be trying to say.

@NeonPred

Please don’t mention genitals on this forum.

Does using the word “genitals” constitute also mentioning genitals themselves? Maybe…a question for another time I think, but you’re the one who made it about baby dicks. Not me. Snarky jabs aside? Genitals are a topic that bother some, but they don’t bother me. They don’t bother a lot of people. Sorry if they bother you, but I wasn’t even talking about genitals in earnest at the time. You were. I was talking about the abuse I received by a bunch of people on this forum with a colorful metaphor.

But even if I was talking about genitals again (because I have in the past, and I don’t make any secret about it) so what? This is a video game based off of a media franchise that hasn’t once been anything other than “R”/“M”. We’re expected to be way more tame/censored here on the forums, but we’re also clearly allowed to toe many lines when it comes to posting about the movies, comics, games and such as we speculate about things Yautja do aside from skinning prey, and ripping out skulls and spines. Also genitals aren’t even a topic of conversation that is inherently offensive. It’s completely possible to have a conversation about genitals that is boring, and technical. You’ve been to a biology class at some point in your life I assume? Even if we’re not talking about stuff as advanced as college biology. High schoolers, and grade schoolers are taught in clinical settings about stuff like this, and many of them are seemingly capable of handling the topic with more guts than you NeonPred. . . no offense intended.

@NeonPred

That image is cringe worthy.

Again, no offense, but it wasn’t intended to be nice. Like I wrote above, it was a metaphor for the abuse I recieved. Sorry if I gave you an intrusive image, but honestly I’ve been deadened to colorful language like this, and it’s not my fault that you took that and went where you did with it, because. . .

@NeonPred

Cis gendered males should not be forced to undergo circumcision at the hands of medical authorities when they are born.

This is a supremely strange comment fragment to read. This is the strangest part of it.
I don’t even know where to begin with this part of your comment.
I’m utterly baffled.
Like. . . where is this coming from? Obviously no one should be forced to undergo infant genital mutilation, REGARDLESS of things like sex, gender, or where they overlap. IF you wanna talk about THAT . . . there’s absolutely no need to use inclusive language in such an exclusive way. Infant circumcision is an issue that plagues more than recently assigned cis male at birth infants. Hell, if we’re talking per capita the intersex community suffers some of the highest rates of mutilation on the planet. If you’re a cis guy who was correctly assigned at birth there’s a high chance you’ve escaped that procedure depending on when/where you were born. On the off chance that you’re a cis guy who’s been cut at birth. . . I’m preemptively extremely sorry of course, and I do hope that’s not the case as I’m something of an intactivist myself.

@Slasher_Clone

I do agree circumcision is a bad practice, but that has nothing to do with what they were referring too. So not on topic, also not really a thing you are likely to convince people of, it’s cultural.

You’re absolutely correct @Slasher_Clone, but because I can’t sleep tonight here we are. Somewhat off topic. . . doesn’t bother me that much. I’ll try to tie it all back into the original topic of moderation somehow. However, I wanted to talk about the cultural" thing a bit. I think that just because it’s a cultural thing doesn’t mean it can’t be talked about. There’s just . . . good ways to do this, and very bad ways. The first thing I wanna preemptively get out of the way is that it’s not exclusively a cultural practice whatsoever. There are atheist doctors who advocate for infant circumcision too. They’re wrong, but they exist too. Within Jewish, Christian, and Muslim cultures this topic is debated in ways that don’t necessary become ignorant, bigoted, sensationalized, or downright propagandized the way they do sometimes do. My research has led me to find people who are neutral, for, or against the practice among all of these faiths.

Heck with it. I can’t figure out how to tie this in. It really WAS quite off topic, but hey! We’re IN “off topic!” so I guess that’s okay???

@Slasher_Clone

PS. Technically the rest is on topic, as Lazy is demonstrating how he can calm people and mediate. 😁

Okay, I think Lazy is kinda cool at times too and all, but I’ve been trying hard to keep a level head tonight too. It isn’t all Lazy. I’m no prophet, but it doesn’t take one to know that if lazy was solely and chiefly responsible for mediation it would wear them thin FAST.

@Fire I don’t know what it is about us in particular, because the funniest damn thing is that there’s been a few times I’ve noticed us agreeing on things before we both knew who were were again, and went back to fighting. That’s in my memory banks. Nonetheless, the fact remains that you make me seriously uncomfortable.

@Fire

Cause I didn’t say anything to justify them snapping at me.

Not until I saw peace was never an option.

Peace wasn’t even an option for me the moment I posted. With a double digit number of strangers who again were telling me to kms, making jokes about my junk, memeing me with senator armstrong abby from TLOU2 and all sorts of other vile crap. Don’t you feel a bit ashamed making what happened between just us 2 out to be such a big deal when you weren’t getting a hate mob on your ass from day 1 the way I was? It really doesn’t help matters that you share the EXACT same profile icon with someone else who was making apologetics arguments in defense of my many abusers using my past behavior as justification for said abuse. Something you’ve done here in this very thread yourself fire.

[Fire]

If you want to have this chat we can.
I just Havent cause you told me to stay away.

So let me tell you where I’m coming in all of this.

I dont share this icon with anybody.
Unless it looks similar, nobody else uses a chibi dark or shadow link.
I’m not sure which one it is tbh. Shadow or dark.

I would still love to know who the hell it is that you thought was me. I am very open and honest, and I do my best to always be direct.

Which leads to a lot of misunderstandings between me and people, cause ppl assume I’m like everyone else, and think I’m trying to be sly or some shit and insult people indirectly.

I dont. That’s not my style at all.

That’s one similarity you and I share.
We kinda come off strong.

But I know this about myself and try to take a step back and keep peace.
And believe me, I tried with you.

I did poke fun at you before, in our first encounters.
But all I poked fun at was the fact that you posted everything you said to me as a question.
I like to joke around.

I poked fun at it because I thought it was silly.
It wasnt meant to be an attack or anything of the sort.

If there is a misunderstanding the majority of the time, if I see the other person is willing to talk things through and not needlessly argue, il gladly be like, ya my bad man.

The difference with you is you kept pushing.
And I hate that.
You took so much of what I said and tried to turn it into what you thought I said. And I fucking haaaate that.

I refuse to let other people try to turn their perception into reality.
I will always be open and direct.
So when ppl try to change the meaning of my words, I will call them out on it.

They keep going, il let them know their perception is warped and they’re delusional.

It’s a selfish thing to do, to only go by how you feel, instead of by what was meant.
Now if someone doesnt attack me and let’s me know that it sounded or felt that what I said was hostile or something, i will clear it up.

I talk shit joking around, but rarely do I talk shit seriously.

And I dont come at people or insult them, unless multiple attempts at calming things down have failed and the other person is still coming at me.

As for other people, you took jokes as attacks, and then snapped at them.
I’m sorry but I remember your first post, it was a long one, and you didnt like the responses of people and you responded very strongly to them.

You even did it to me, even tho I didn’t really say anything bad or that serious.

Theres a few ppl here who dont like me, which you know. Whatever, cant make everyone happy.

But everytime I run into a problem with someone I always try to see what the fuck the problem is, and make some kind of peace.

Unfortunately, for what ever reason they refuse to tell me what the problem is.

I try to be cool with as many people as I can.
I want to be at peace with everyone.
That being the case, I don’t understand why i make you so uncomfortable.

Literally all I want is to joke around and be chill.
I’ve had way too much drama in my life, so I just dont have the patience or energy for it anymore.

Which is why I said if you wanted me to leave you alone, I would.
I don’t instigate.
No matter how I may seem or come across I’m really not someone who likes to seriously piss off or fuck with people.

I love to in games, but not out of them.

I’m sorry if I’m rambling, I have a hard time not being all over the place.
I’m not good at talking.

Do you remember the very first thing I said to you?
It was a joke.
If I’m not mistaken, the very first response to you was, “damn I thought I cared about predator titties”

Because you were complaining about no female options for the elder, I believe.

I said it as a joke cause I thought you were just some guy who really wanted to see bouncing pred tits.

Then you came at me, cause you were pissed at other ppl.

Which has always been the case. You throw me in with everyone else who fucked with you.

Idk about making apologetic arguements, I dont think I ever have, but if you’re referring to me saying the reason ppl fuck with you because of how you come across, I still stand by that.

You come off strong but instead of taking a step back, you continue by snapping at people, blind by your emotions of past events.

I dont want to be an asshole, or start shit with you, or lecture you.
But you let the things your passionate about take too much priority and if anyone says anything you feel is the tiny bit wrong or inappropriate,
You lash out like you’re defending yourself in a life or death fight.

And you turn on everyone who doesn’t blindly agree with you.
Turning possible friends away or against you.

I’m sorry, I’m not trying to lecture you.
But this is what I’ve seen happen here on the forums.

I dont know what else to say.
Except I dont know exactly how you’ve perceived my words here, or in the past.

But until you pushed me for like the 4th or 5th time, I not once insulted or attacked you, and I never meant to, until I had finally had enough of trying to get through you. Until I gave up on peace.

I will not hold a grudge against you.
But i believe another similarity you and i share is that we do not simply speak out of anger and mean what we say.
I could be wrong about that.
But i have a strong feeling that is the case.

Therefore, while I may not hold a grudge or plan on fucking with you, I can not forget what you said to me.

I always try to keep things chill and just want peace, and have no desire to actually do harm to people unless they’ve come after me, cause I will defend myself.

So given that, being told I’m what’s wrong with this world I can not forgive or forget.

This was a really long winded response and should probably just have sent it in a PM, but, I’m open and honest.

I just seriously hope you dont take any of what I said the wrong way.
I dont wat to argue. I hate arguing believe it or not.

[DhRauta]

Ban everyone

[Slasher_Clone]

I am glad you came back. We’ll talk more in the future I’m sure, hopefully in a happier context and with out the drama.

I would like to make a suggestion, I’d appreciate if you’d consider it.
Please apologize to Fire for saying he’s what’s wrong with the world.
I think I understand why he is only willing to come so far towards peace, you hurt him. Like genuinely hurt him, I can’t speak to Fire’s experience outside the forums and I don’t know your exact experiences either, but I can see why either of you would react to being told you’re what’s wrong with the world in an extreme way.

So please take my advice under consideration.

@Fire, one more point buddy, I’m not mad at you. In your shoes I would have taken the step, of gendering her correctly. I wouldn’t hold back on identifying her as she wishes. I do see you making an effort to not misgender her using them, they, someone. In place of the wrong gender but a purposefully neutral act can be view as something else, if your POV is different or experiences have been extreme.

So I’m not asking you to forgive and forget. I would appreciate if you would just call her, her. I genuinely think you have been good but also see why you’re neutral language makes her hold back.

Thanks for being cool man, I hope you don’t hold this against me. I just want peace too.