It seems like the Predator was buffed a bit too much...

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@Eshtion

Ya people have been complaing that those two new guns the ones your using, the plasma gun and RL, do so much less damage than regular guns.

Thats why its taking so long to kill.

@RidgeTop: I agree to that. I second winded the predator quite often meanwhile - and when I write “I”, then I mean “I”, as the real problem seems to be a flood of PHG-beginners since some days in random pubs…

Try it e.g. with:

support
first: GOSL, second: Minigun
syringe, medikit, munition
speed perks

Two such supports, who know what they are doing, can hold a position against the predator alone…

The game is still balanced, the people are not. A lot of the names of predator players are known to me meanwhile, they already play for a while. But most FT player names seem to be new. That is why now it become hard to play as FT: too much people who are of no support…

If you ask me:)

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@RidgeTop

Feel free to disagree with me everybody haha.

Ridge, I think this indeed is not a question of buffing/nerfing but of choosing the right classes and weapons. The OWLF e.g. is complete nonsense, if you ask me. Tell me just one advantage of this class, which is working (without severe bugs)!

And, as already said by some others too, it might also be a question of a lot of noobs, who obviously bought the game just before X-Mas. 4 competent players playing with support & GOSL or alike are still a very good match for most predators.

A few predators indeed are extremely strong, but this is not due to buffing/nerfing. They are just very good.

[Fire]

This game is not balanced.

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@Fire

This game is not balanced.

:)) The old discussion… Part just partly true. It is not balanced for PC-premade-FTs with top tiers alike Arrow. For PS4-random-FTs it is just slightly in favor of the FT, if you ask me, and that is as it should be, if you ask me…

For noob teams, it definitely is even in favor of good predators:) So the question “balanced” or “not balanced” depends heavily on the constraints you assume, right?

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@RidgeTop

Typically my damage is in the 2500 range as FT

which is quite good, right? 2500 points should be some two second winds, right? Two of such guys should be sufficient to win a match against most predators - still.

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@RidgeTop

2500 just doesn’t cut it when a lot of the randos are in the 50-200 range.

Ah, here is the real problem - as pointed out here:

Noobs, Noobs, Noobs

In the last two days I just met noob after noob. Maybe you know the situation: you are under melee attack by the predator and your team mate, standing in your immediate vicinity, does not fire into the predators back during that - he just runs away instead. As the two others already did. By the way: not in the same direction. Games like that are quite unnerving. Unfortunately, at the moment the randoms player base seems to be flooded by beginners and beginners who even are not team players. So…

:))

[Fire]

Dude noob players dont count.
Those matches dont give good results.

Why do so many people want to count matches vs ppl who suck?

Not only that, if the game was balanced there wouldnt be an entire debate over pc vs ps4.

You cant try to balance off players of any skill level, you have to balance the game itself.

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@Fire

Dude noob players dont count.

POV of Illfonic they count most as, at least at the moment, they seem to be the majority. Games cannot be balanced for the minority of top tiers, right?

But, as I said, I think the game is balanced for middle-class random FTs ON PS4 (!) too. I belong in the category of some 1200 damage points in the average (sometimes 500, sometimes 2500, often 1200…) - if you accept that to be “middle-class” - then I can say, that two to three middle-class players are enough for most of the predators (and they tend to be more experienced than FT players, if yo ask me).

So, all that buffing/nerfing thing is not the main problem. It is the matchmaking and maybe the vast health supply for 4 supports with syringes & medkits. But whether you use a GOSL or a Hammerhead does not make a lot of difference (although there damages are different).

Play random pubs NOW and tell me, that the FT is overpowered…

[Fire]

Bon, I’m not you interested in typing all this out because it will take too long.
But if you really want to have this discussion, join me in a psn party.

Just so itl be faster.
I can explain it in probably 5 or 10 minutes compared to the 30 it would take to type and then even longer either going back an forth on here.

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@Fire

Not only that, if the game was balanced there wouldnt be an entire debate over pc vs ps4.

This debate indeed is very interesting as most people debating about buffing/nerfing in this forum tend to forget the HUGE difference between PC and PS4.

I tried that out with my PC friend in quite some detail and the difference is even still there, if he plays with the controller.

But the difference when he is playing predator on PC with m&k vs me (PS4) compared to the situation with controller is unbelievable huuuuge.

With m&k he just needs “milliseconds” to destroy me (being a lonesome FT) in a private match, whereas with controller I even got away!

Read this:

Might that really be...

…that, on PC, there is some kind of auto-aiming in melee when using mouse and keyboard and there is none when using the controller? A friend (PC) and I (PS4) wanted to try out the different feeling for a PC player, when melee-ing with mouse&keyboard vs melee-ing with controller on PC. So we fought twice in a private match, once PC with mouse&keyboard against PS4 with controller and after that the very same setup, but with PC with controller against PS4 with controller. The outcome was quite c…

There are NO competent answers to this yet, so feel free…

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Fine idea!

I am just starting my PS4… Hear you in some minutes (hope it works). You find me as “Bonator19” there; sorry, I forgot your PS4 name:) But I think, we already are friends, right? Just try to invite me or so…

[Fire]

I would but right now I’m at the store.
When I get back I will.

If you’re still interested.

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Absolutely - If I am still awake then - did not get much sleep this night… Just check whether I am online and invite me - hope it works, as this joining business tends to fail with my PS4 quite often. But PS4-voice-party seems to work. See resp. hear you later. Maybe we then also can do a “test run” FT-match:)

[Killachriz96]

Dude most games cater to top tier play… fighting games, some fps with esports attached, any game revolves around the pro tier…that’s just how it is…this game however is a mess and a mixed one at taht

[Eshtion]

And that’s how it should be balanced.

With SBMM of course.

[Killachriz96]

Ehhh i don’t know if cod players liked that…i think everything is competitive now and just has no chill but that’s what happens with time i guess

[Eshtion]

SBMM should help with that. If your a casaul and your paired up with a comp player then it’d still be even because your casaul is comparative to their try hard.

Plus comp players can still be comp without any flak.

[Killachriz96]

True i guess i was thinking of cold war sbmm thats what i thought you meant lol… I’m all for having the noobs paired with veterans to show them the ropes

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@Killachriz96

True i guess i was thinking of cold war sbmm

Whats up with cods SBMM?

@Killachriz96

I’m all for having the noobs paired with veterans to show them the ropes

Trial by fire doesn’t work too well.

[Killachriz96]

I heard the cold war sbmm was fucked up since it take the game you just played so if you go 20-5 out of luck you get thrown into the sweaty lobbies untile your KD goes down then you get thrown back into noob lobbies so it’s a big discussion for the cod community… me personally I dont take cod to seriously so its a whatever type issue for me