they need to punish braindead preds, not reward them (rant from a fireteam member who wants to have other strats than camping)

#121

i’m saying a typical encounter a berzerker should be able to kill one guy get the claim and get out while still being alive yes now i’m not saying he has to have like 60% of his hp but he should be able to force the kill in melee if that’s literally the point of the zerker and the viking is they have alot of hp they have melee damage

the problem is there so slow they just won’t geta away from anyone who knows what there doing and of course currently the predator can’t do this against any team assuming they know what there doing beacuse FT damage is so high the extra hp is meaningless as well which as it stands currently renders the classes worthless doomed to forever be trash

(because the hunter is tankier than both of them and he gets to be faster)

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#122

we literally know that this wouldn’t have been the case if we had waited 1-2 months as only 4 guns of the FT have ever been nerfed 7EN 2XL the 2nd shotgun and the hammerhead(which is still the best AR in the game) FT have only gotten better predators have gotten marginally worse the combi/zerker was never a problem it was just player skill which you should never balance around the worst players of the game you should give them the tools to learn

#123

If any predator can leap in the middle of 4 and claim even 1, he would be broken OP.

Predators are not supposed to be tanks, not even the zerkers. Melee is the most braindead tactic in this game, its like saying FT should be able to play just with the knifes and WIN if they equip that knife perk.

Predators have an entire arsenal, ranged weapons, traps and so on. Use them, don’t expect to roll your face on the KB (or controller) as 4 people are shooting at you and kill one.

#124

then why are the zerkers and vikings and samurai’s in the game? Why would the dev’s intentionally add things that are just bad
why does the predator have 9 melee weapons?

if this wasn’t intended by the devs why do they insist on only giving the predator melee weapons?

#125

Thing is, yes you don’t balance around skill but melee takes NO SKILL in this game, balancing around no skill makes just as much sense.

Melee weapons are not so you can melee people from full to 0 and fighting the entire team, you have other weapons, use them, use hit and runs etc. Why do FT have knifes if I can’t win games just with a knife? Melee is a part of games but predators are supposed to do MORE then just melee to win.

#126

right now i would say that it is harder for the predator to win the game using melee than using ranged weapons which therefore takes more skill

but i suppose neither of us are willing to budge here

#127

Right now its just as easy to melee, its just that find a competent team and you can’t win with JUST melee. Ranged it a must. That is how it should be, having people do things that require some skill, not just leap in an smash 1 button. Its not like I am saying berserker are fine where they are but making them tank 4 players shooting at them, kill and claim one is not the way to go.

NO predator should be able to win by just using melee in this game, it take no skill and its EXTREMELY boring.

I’ve had a few games today, second game, I unloaded into the predator a FULL mag of hammerhead and a FULL mag of PDW-Z and he leaped away. He was just sitting there healing in stealth, under a stair, I missed NOTHING. He healed and left. I probably hit his mask but this should not be a thing. I don’t even know WTF happened.

Last game, just finished it now:

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Do you know what I’ve done so much damage? Because the predator has an unlimited supply of PIGS!

#128

you could stop him from eating pigs at any time as they are most likely to spawn near the FT as FT have 4 spawns and the predator can only trigger one it also takes longer for predator to trigger a spawn than for you to trigger one

but you are though the whole point of the berzerker is to be better at melee that’s why he has the melee buff and the extra hp

than why has the predator only recieved melee weapons and 2 additional melee classes in teh same vein don’t ya think if the devs thought the predator should be using traps or ranged weapons they’d add more of those?

this is how the medkit works yes it regens a predator to 100% of their max hp so you have to deal 200% damage to kill them the only way your killing a pred while healing on a medkit is if you can get point blank specially if they have ironsides or impen

i know the dev’s claim they intend for the predator to not be a hulk who runs in and kills a whole team in a single melee encounter and can’t tank bullets

but i also believe in actions not words if they believe this they shouldn’t be ONLY adding melee weapons over the course of this games what 8 or 9 month lifespan?

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#129

I did stop him quite a few times eating pigs but they spawned in a few different locations and he is far faster then me. He had pigs EVERYWHERE. Its not in just 1 place. We also had to run around the map, people died, had to reinforce. Its not as easy. He can kill them at a location and then come back and eat them when we move form that area.

No, the whole point is for him to be better in melee, not win by melee and floor 1 guy as everyone is shooting at him.

Predator recieved only melee weapons for a few reasons. Very easy to put in from balancing POV, nothing kills more then melee in this game because its THAT easy and far harder to parry. Just 2 obvious reasons.

When he was healing, I was point blank lol. I was right next to the stairs. This did not happened to me, like ever before the armor buff.

#130

albeit the armor buff actually does work now as it’s a 25ish% damage reduction (Randomly) and also guaranteed at below 25% hp (it’s why hunter right now is so strong)

and if he had pigs everywhere he is just doing the right thing spamming Target iso off CD taking the time to killing pigs ahead of time which gives you guys time to fin the mission and win the game

if a class is better at something than others doesn’t that mean you should be doing that primarily? or are you one of those people that believe that the recon should only be using the grenade launcher and shotguns

#131

I don’t know what they did with the armor but before this, if I found one healing, the PDW alone would burn him into oblivion since healing its gradual, not instant. So I get him at half HP, I open fire = dead.
But oh well.

Yeah, he did play well. At the end, he died because he gave up when 1 escaped and I put him in second wind. He would’ve been alive at the end, no idea why he just stopped and allowed me to kill him.

If this game had melee as a system that actual needs skill perhaps you could argue it but as it is, you just roll your face on that controller and you melee well. You can’t have melee working the way you guys want or that would be broken OP. If 2 people can’t wind a predator(with parry) that tries to melee, there is no point playing unless you run a full premade.

#132

i mean i could argue that melee has some skill involved as if the other player knows how to parry and can do it you are now in a game of baiting the other parry so you can land your hits and at any time the FT could instead decide to whip out their gun and take 40% of the predators hp or more depending on a few factors

however all i want is for melee to work and for the melee classes to be at least on par with literally the middleman class who happens to be the strongest class in the game cause i’m sick of playing the same ranged predator game for the past 8 months of:

“alright i castered them for 3 minutes and downed a guy take out the bow shoot the downed guy to death alright time to swap to the caster and do the same thing oh and if someone gets near me i better bring out the netgun to net him and run away so i can do the range thing again”

#133

Yes, that is because a single FT has the potential to kill you, now if you buff the predator to the point 4 people can’t put him down as he kills one, there will be nothing to “bait”.

I don’t know if you where around form the start of the game but how fun would it be if we get back to melee rushes? The ranged play gets longer games, melee rushing and winning kills people fast and get’s them to stop playing. It also feels really cheap since the skill involved is not that impressive. Yes, if you end up against a melee FT player that is really good… Its not going to be easy to melee him down but is that not the point? FT needs to time parries and stims and when to range and the predator needs to time melee and range (if he is not really good and just arrows you into oblivion). Now if the predator can just melee him into oblivion with no skill… Meh… You really want that?

Right now you can win a lot of games with nothing but melee (if that is what you want) since many people are potatoes, I’ve done it a few weeks back when I had a friend over and he wanted to see the predator, I am BAD at the predator, still won against 2 teams with nothing but the elder sword since I noticed I did not need anything more.

#134

i was around at the start of the game and i didn’t feel that zerker combi was op cause when i was playing this game with friends we only lost 2 games out of 90 i also played predator at that time as well and it felt alot better than it feels now hell parrying was stronger back then than it is now

as i said before

i want melee to be viable so i can actually use it cause as it is now it’s worthless it’s a you should never use it against any team cause you run the 50/50 risk of losing the game because you decided to melee someone

#135

The zerker was winning because of lack of skill, randoms and lack of gear/weapons had but that is not the point, I mean how “fun” those games where. How fun was it for you when that guy charged into your team and the game ended after 1 minute? Now imagine it also went the other way when melee won.

Against decent teams you can’t win with melee, and I don’t see how you can balance melee since melee involves you engaging in close quarter and everybody can shoot at you. On the other hand I’ve seen it used quite well as a filler, bow shoots and then melee, hit and run tactics.

#136

i already know how it could be done it’s just i assume the dev’s aren’t willing to do it or for some reason it takes too long

these 2 things is literally all the predator needs to even the playing field and hamlet if this re @s you I’m sorry

#137

The only way I can see making the berserker tank 4 player, kill one and leave with a sliver of his health is if you REMOVE his leap. So if he does that, you can actually chase him down and kill him.

That said the devs said the balance is almost perfect with FT having a bit of an edge BEFORE the latest changes to pred armor, right now they could very well feel like its perfectly balanced.

Oh and BTW traps and netgun are overpowered against randoms but completely useless (or almost) against good premades. If you give a more easy way to use them, all it will do is make you stomp randoms harder.

#138

i use traps and net’s consistently against premades and it’s usually what gives me the edge to win most of the time if we sped up predator actions making it more difficult to react to them cuase otherwise the FT get’s 3 seconds to watch the predator equip and aim the item traps would be more effective against everyone

#139

also i’ve had my leap removed since Dante came out so i would say this is a bad idea

(right now there is a bug where sometimes when your in 2nd wind you can’t leap i’ve had this bug consistently since Dante came out i’m talking 1 out of every 3 games)

#140

What does netgun do for you? I can cut anybody out instantly with my knife when you aim down the netgun its the perfect time to put so many bullets into you.
Traps, the only time I run into them its before I know the pred actually has them since so few use them. After that the sound gives them away.

Yes, you would do better with a fast netgun but considering I can cut people instantly out, GL doing anything with it. I have yet to see the best predators put videos against PC deathsquads where they use the netgun.

As for the bug… So many bugs in this games, what can you do. Right now leap is absolutely needed but if you make the predator tank 4 people as he melees 1 to death, removing leap is not such an extreme I would say.