Predator health. Confirmed numbers

[meowera]

GreenLivesMatters

[Draedark]

I am not at home so I do not have my notes. How many bullets did you say it took to down Scout again?

I remember
Zerker 50
Hunter 45
Scout was 35?

Okay read through post, it was about 35.

So using that, disregarding that to get more accurate numbers we would need to use different weapons with different damage values, impenetrable gives about 10% damage reduction for zerker.

1500 dmg / 50 bullets = 30 dmg per bullet

With Impenetrable it was 55 bullets
55 bullets x 30 dmg per bullet = 1650 dmg
1650 / 1500 = 1.10
So 10%

[Schoolboy_Skeptik]

Zerker has 20% more health than hunter and 50% more health than scout. That’s is a huge difference, especially when it only takes 2 seconds to grab a quick claim. I’ve have way more respect for scout players now. 1000 health is so low. I had never considered how much the difference would be from scout to berserker, although I knew it was a 20% difference between each class.

[Draedark]

Scout FTW!

I sometimes get slack from the FT for not rushing in, keeping my distance, trying to draw them out, etc. until they see I am a Scout.

I used to start the match explaining that out of respect for their planets current epidemic, that their Predator would be practicing social distancing for the first part of the match. That got a few chuckles.

[Schoolboy_Skeptik]

My younger brother, 20 yrs old, plays scout too. He has the Yautja bow as backup, but mainly uses mobility and the net gun to catch FT members off guard one by one. Entertaining to watch. Especially because, like me, he refuses to abuse that high slam damage.

[DisturbedLlama]

I’ve said it so many times. Hunter is the best. An extra 250 hp does not make up for the low stamina, especially considering how fast the team can take 250 hp away

[SilverbornReaver]

Beserkers are still being played wrong - in my opinion.

The only reason I play Beserker at times is to force in a quick claim. You will barely survive, but you will survive, that aggressive push compared to the other classes. Against good teams it barely works, but good teams need ranged perfection. While playing hunter, a good push + claim will leave you with barely any HP left, and then you still need to escape.

On Zeker? That tactic will 100% work -> but you gotta heal straight after.

Which is the biggest downside of the Zeker. Your first engagement is the most dangerous one, and you gotta find a pig, or force a heal yourself. But you will generally get the kill, even against good teams.

On Hunter you are forced to kill two people before you can claim, which is less dangerous, but more risky if they do manage to get the first guy up again. It’s often safer not to claim, but to push with ranged attacks.

[Peacemaker94]

I hope you understand, that it is not the way it was intended to play. It should be tank, but slow and heavy, that u cannot just kill, but you can outrun it easily and be able to avoid him. On the other hand zerker should be pretty competent in terms of traps and choosing theattack moment.

[Finessology]

Agree zerk gets a more aggressive push but honestly quick claims are a trap, zerk is the only class that can cornercheck someone try for a quick claim and kind of get away with it as long as two people aren’t shooting him or one guy doesnt shoot him in his big old face.
The slightly increased room for error in exchange for having awful mobility thats easily punished just isnt worth it vs a decent team, because if the team pushes back that zerk is dead. He’s takes a few seconds longer to kill in exchange for being easy to followup on or chase compared to the other classes that have safer play. Zerk is a pubstomper that goes for aggressive pushes and risky full wipes and thats about it.

You could be a bowzerker but the massive hitbox and lower mobility isn’t in your favor. Eventually you’re taking more poke than you’re dishing out. Having to leap infront of people instead being able to land on top of them a lot of the time is also extremely limiting.

[Peacemaker94]

@Finessology

The slightly increased room for error in exchange for having awful mobility thats easily punished just isnt worth it vs a decent team

That is exactly what i mean. Just played with zerker against me. I was playing scout with m82 barret and i killed him alone. I didnt even need rest of the FT help me- i just eliminate him with the rifle(Hitboxes again). It shouldn`t be like that.

[Finessology]

Yeah but big man go boom boom on console slap with big bad stick in back and they cant do anything about it so he’s kind of forced to be shit since its balanced for ps4

[Peacemaker94]

I ve said it once in somewhere here - the main issue of game balance is cross-platform. Whilst devs are going to balance it for ps4, pc FT players will use every possible advantage of it, cuz mostly to balance everything for ps4 you need to nerf predator.
Everything is about ps4 problems - no recoil weapons, high damage of sniper rifles(high reward for high risk) and it is totally fine with that. That is extremely hard to play as FT sniper on ps4.
Many signs of it in the game.

[Locke]

5 bullets?? From what gun? So is Impenetrable not worth it? That could free up a slot for a superior perk. I thought it increased the overall defense more substantially

[Draedark]

He said it was the LMG, I hope that helps. I don’t know the FT weapons but I am assuming it was the best in slot one.

[Peacemaker94]

Yep, ive already changed it to cooling sync

[KameofWar]

i’m just putting this here in case i ever have to reference hp values / damage reduction values for either side

@Peacemaker94

Zerker has 1500 hp.
Hunter 1250.
Scout - 1000.
Impenetrable grants you 10% damage reducing. Actually not really much, just tested it - it was 5 bullets
Update: calculate the incoming damage for different predators classes, and figured out, that hunter has 10% passive damage reduction, scout around 5% (comparing to zerker).more, ridiculous.

@Draedark

I remember
Zerker 50
Hunter 45
Scout was 35?

Okay read through post, it was about 35.

So using that, disregarding that to get more accurate numbers we would need to use different weapons with different damage values, impenetrable gives about 10% damage reduction for zerker.

1500 dmg / 50 bullets = 30 dmg per bullet with the LMG

With Impenetrable it was 55 bullets
55 bullets x 30 dmg per bullet = 1650 dmg
1650 / 1500 = 1.10
So 10%

@KameofWar

as an example these are the bow dmg numbers
base shot 53 Wbuff 58 W OWLF 50
Fullycharge 70Wbuff 77 WOWLF 66
base head 93 Wbuff 103 WOWLF 89
full charge 122 Wbuff135 WOWLF 116

so this would imply with the 77 dmg for example assault has 150 hp without buff it would take an extra shot of 70 dmg to down him vs one less shot with the buff
so uh that looks like your wrong at least with the bow
which calls the rest of your statement into question as well…
don’t make statements provide evidence as in mere moments you could be proven wrong

another way to put it is with dmg numbers we can use the breakpoint method to decide number of hits required to down or kill someone cause y’know that’s how math works
generally i think it’s reasonable if to kill an FT should take between 2-5 hits for any weapon varying based on class and perhaps individual weapons stats

ie
125:all the glass canons with no perks
150 assault with no perks scout and recon with perks
175 assault with perks support with no perks dutch with no perks
190dutch with perks support with hp perk but not OWLF
200 every class in the game dies if this number is broken regardless of perk setup including OWLF support

there are guns in the game that can kill the predator between 3.3seconds and up to 7 seconds at close range
and at long range it goes up to 11 seconds

as referenced here

How to be Good as Fire Team

I’ll just leave this here if this post looks familiar that’s because it is if i’m posting it as a reply to you it’s cause i think your ill informed it’s literally all you need to know to be good at fireteam and literally stomp any pred you run into ok SO first Scar, LMG, AK, the first AR, and Hammerhead, vector the last SMG and the 2XL you should never use shotguns as they do less dps than the 2 smg’s i’ve mentioned use extended mag on all of them each of these weapons can down the zerker pred…

and here

ARE YOU BIASED?

OK as far as i’m concerned only one person ever has complained about target iso and everyone says he is wrong spotting is probably an issue but all that needs is a internal CD shared by all FT that lasts 5 seconds longer than the spot lasts where i and many others are more concerned with a numbers issue or a “meta” issue currently predator doesn’t have enough tools/mechanics to warrent the fireteam having superior numbers if a fireteam becomes aware of the superior equipments/loadouts and is…

and this is just my philosophy at the moment after playing alot of the game over the past 2 weeks as both sides

@KameofWar

sadly there isn’t much we can do it’s better for the predator to be weaker than the fireteam as it’s bad incentive if the FT sucks dick and killing the predator is too hard people won’t play it which would kill the game through que times

they gotta use a scalpel rather than a hammer to solve this problem
the best way to do it is through more mechanics/ equipment/unique passives to allow the predator to attempt to circumvent the problem rather than straight reducing the numbers of FT guns/ increasing hp of the predator
they could add bullet drop and fix all the strange predator bugs which could solve the problem but if they dont’ do that the only other answer is through more mechanics/equipment/passives numbers can only go so far before it becomes unhealthy for the game

[Arrow_calis]

Agree in general in general. But also remember that zerker has bigger hit boxe and he can be easly melted during a quick claim with the right weapons. It all depends basically on what weapons the Ft have at that time.

[Arrow_calis]

Also I noticed late that the post was 20 days ago 😂

[PanzerKraken]

Any pred will melt if they try to claim while being able to be shot at, still zerker can take the most punishment which we all kinda knew already.

In a way I think a bigger issue is how fast preds can take out humans in melee with the weapons like combistick. Once hes on you with the range of the melee weapons and their bonus damage you got half the team being chopped down super quick and they can bounce away to safety where they can then pick off those who try to rez their team mates or they gotta chase after you and potentially let their team bleed out.

[Arrow_calis]

Combi stick does 30 damage x hit (like wriste blade) and it is the weapon that does less damage compare to elder sword and war club. In my opinion the combi stick is fine, maybe the elder sword is too strong and the war club too weak. They to do something with melee because is too easy against random but too risky agaist decent players.